[Savage Worlds] Tell me about Beasts & Barbarians (1 Viewer)
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I can only assure you that we didn`t want to offend anybody. Cultural differences (I`m from Poland, Umberto is from Italy) could be the reason and explanation, but our game was proofread and edited by US born English native speakers - and they left it there, and we have changed a lot of things, which were put there not because we are racist, (both Umberto and me hate white supremacy - or every supremacy - movement), but because they were in pulp games.
What we can assure you is that we will remove the sentence from the next edition.
It is something in between. We get money from it and we really love making it. So, we will be publishing it, if you`re going to buy it
And we are grateful that you buy it and that you point our mistakes to us. This helps us improve the game, so the Platinium edition (which may come) will be even better.
Another piece you may want to take a look at is having the great leader of the Ivory Savannah being a white guy. Its a bit problematic (in my take the chief is a well-travelled native of the Savannah, and the 'he must be a white guy' line is just Faberterran prejudice).
That said, I love B&B, Tattered Banners and City of Jalazar. Keep up the good work!
That said, I love B&B, Tattered Banners and City of Jalazar. Keep up the good work!
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I have the Golden Edition, when I get my group over to Fantasy for Savage Worlds, I want to hit them with B&B!
Curious on knowing the order of the adventures that were released, I know the 6th adventure just came out but I can't seem to find a order of them. Anyone?
GR
Curious on knowing the order of the adventures that were released, I know the 6th adventure just came out but I can't seem to find a order of them. Anyone?
GR
Speaking as one of those who would love to love your game, but am put off by some of the things that Ether mention, I think this:
P.s. same goes for sexism. There's a "Damsel in distress" edge - would it really kill the pulp feel to open that one up to the gents too?
is where you may be going wrong. Unlike REH, you're not writing in the 30's. I've GM:d a lot of Conan and Solomon Kane, not once have I felt the need to resort to iffy stereotypes to capture the spirit of the originals. There's a lot of racism in Lovecraft too, that doesn't mean that you need it to get to the heart if cthulhoid rping.
P.s. same goes for sexism. There's a "Damsel in distress" edge - would it really kill the pulp feel to open that one up to the gents too?
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You're a GM right? You can create a "Man in distress" edge for your game. Perhaps you view Pulp different than me, which is fine but when I think Pulp, I think damsel's in distress and guys smoking cigs and wearing suits. No need to jump on GRAmel on that. There is no way in hell that I think GRAmel were racist or resorted to it. Wow... people get take some gaming way to far, it's a game... have fun your friends!
GR
I apologise if my post came across as any way "jumping on" GRAmel - my post was meant as a plea, not an attack.
And of course I can house rule in my own campaign, that's hardly the point.
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My bad, if I mis-read your post. There's just been so much politcal correctiveness lately with RPGs, I kinda hit my limit.
GR
In total fairness, the Damsel in Distress does specifically indicate that male characters can take the edge (not sure the line about being mocked by one's companions was totally helpful though).
In terms of walking the political correctness line, I think it can be tough if you are going for the kind of 70s paperback/80s video flavor that Beasts and Barbarians evokes so well. Thing is, some of the borderline content can be off-putting to players. I have a fairly diverse player group in terms of race and gender, and I honestly feel that if a few things were toned down it would be accessible to a wider audience and not lose much in the way of flavor.
That said, you don't want to risk losing everything that makes the setting flavorful. Its a tough job.
In terms of walking the political correctness line, I think it can be tough if you are going for the kind of 70s paperback/80s video flavor that Beasts and Barbarians evokes so well. Thing is, some of the borderline content can be off-putting to players. I have a fairly diverse player group in terms of race and gender, and I honestly feel that if a few things were toned down it would be accessible to a wider audience and not lose much in the way of flavor.
That said, you don't want to risk losing everything that makes the setting flavorful. Its a tough job.
This is the thing though - I really don't think that moving away from race based stereotypes and male chauvinism in any way detracts from the meatiness of the genre. You can still have all the guts and gore and flesh and blood and larger than life heroes and heroines. And I don't think that it smacks of "political correctness" - whatever that phrase is supposed to mean.
My pulp fantasy tends to be about barbarism and the decay of civilisation, about hard boiled heroism sanity-twisting sorcery and base treachery. The pulp is in the story, the character of its heroes and villains - not in skin colour or gender.
Point taken re: the damsel in distress - I suppose its the way its pitched, as you very rightly point out.
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